tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post2784965153263384419..comments2024-03-25T10:57:21.969-07:00Comments on BARE RECORD OF TRUTH: 95: SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR A LIGHTBARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-71489005404513889092012-08-24T09:57:38.423-07:002012-08-24T09:57:38.423-07:00The birthday event didn't set well with me. No...The birthday event didn't set well with me. No wonder many call us a cult. We adulate the leaders and we set them up for a light. I believe that overall the leaders are pointing us to Christ, however the idolatry needs to be renounced from the pulpet. The glossy image of perfectness that the church portrays of our leaders needs to be toned down and we all need to repent. 2 ne 28 is being fulfilled right before are eyes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-73861626710482709912012-08-24T09:42:45.118-07:002012-08-24T09:42:45.118-07:00Here's the list of those sustained during that...Here's the list of those sustained during that conference:<br /><br />Ezra Taft Benson as President<br />Gordon B. Hinckley as First Counselor <br />Thomas S. Monson as Second Counselor <br /><br />Howard W. Hunter as President of the Council of the 12<br />Boyd K. Packer,<br />Marvin J. Ashton,<br />L. Tom Perry,<br />David B. Haight,<br />James E. Faust,<br />Neal A. Maxwell,<br />Russell M. Nelson,<br />Dallin H. Oaks,<br />M. Russell Ballard,<br />Joseph B. Wirthlin,<br />Richard G. Scott.<br /><br /><br />So those who are left today are these 7.<br /><br />Thomas S. Monson <br />Boyd K. Packer,<br />L. Tom Perry,<br />Russell M. Nelson,<br />Dallin H. Oaks,<br />M. Russell Ballard,<br />Richard G. Scott.<br /><br />BARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-41872890869602468662012-08-24T09:17:48.711-07:002012-08-24T09:17:48.711-07:00I was at a meeting not many years ago with Elder B...I was at a meeting not many years ago with Elder Bednar. He asked us kindly if we would not quote him. I didn't think much of it at the time. He also asked if we could be seated 30 minutes prior to the meeting. I didn't think it was as much for him, as it was for me to prepare myself to receive the Spirit. Actually, it was an extremely spiritual experience, though upon reflection I realize that it was not due to Elder Bednar. We receive the Spirit as a gift from above. Anyway, that meeting was in some ways life changing, but it was due to the Spirit I received then, and very little to do with the men who spoke. <br /><br />I wonder about the desire to not be recorded or quoted. I understand that as mortals we may not always express ourselves perfectly. However, when I have spoken in church under the guiding influence of the Spirit, I would hope the words I speak remain with those who hear them. Though the words may be imperfect, the Spirit can communicate directly with each individual and convey the correct meaning. It still makes me wonder, why is there worry about being recorded or quoted? <br /><br />I think it is because too many members place far too much importance on words spoken by the brethren. Therefore anything they speak is to be taken as "thus saith the Lord." Perhaps our leaders could do a better job teaching the members to receive their inspiration directly from the Lord and to not rely on the arm of flesh. They could simply say, "don't take anything I say as Gospel. Hear my words and let the Spirit teach you the truth of all things.". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-83265406988315438242012-08-24T09:10:03.038-07:002012-08-24T09:10:03.038-07:00Anyone know who WAS in the Quorum at the time?Anyone know who WAS in the Quorum at the time?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-20172486906104859022012-08-24T07:07:32.118-07:002012-08-24T07:07:32.118-07:00One of the apostles called since this talk was giv...One of the apostles called since this talk was given was speaking at my husband's mission. He came to an apparently important (?) part of his talk and told everyone to turn off their tape recorders. My husband did not. About 5 minutes later his clicked off... quite loudly. (I guess this is giving away our ages!) He could see the apostle was visibly ticked off. My husband hasn't thought much of him since then. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-73080603094653652232012-08-24T07:03:50.240-07:002012-08-24T07:03:50.240-07:00Just an FYI.... the apostles not yet in the quorum...Just an FYI.... the apostles not yet in the quorum then were:<br />Robert Hales<br />Jeffrey Holland<br />David Bednar<br />Quentin Cook<br />Todd Christofferson<br />Neil Andersen<br />Henry Eyring<br />Dieter Uchtdorf<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-1477499368871643842012-08-24T00:18:33.364-07:002012-08-24T00:18:33.364-07:00You know, it is not that Elder Maxwell might have ...You know, it is not that Elder Maxwell might have meant what he said that gets me, it is who the "few" are in such case that really sparks my imagination. He was speaking of the "few" back then, but I could only imagine who the "few" are today (and remember, when we are speaking of 15 individuals, a few can become a majority very quickly). <br /><br />For starters, how about an Apostle who demands that the youth (members) be seated a half hour before he arrives, and then demands that all quietly stand for him both upon his entering and his leaving. Yup, that is probably a dead give away for one of the current "few", which might be a larger number than any of us realize. What was that commandment about having "no other gods before me"? Could that cause idolatry to include using men and their teachings in place of our God? Nah, setting oneself up as a light to the world has nothing to do with that ... does it? How about all those warnings about following the "precepts of men"? Nah, those could not apply here.<br /><br />Or how about that a "few" GAs originally demanded Toyota Avalons, so now all the GAs are supposedly provided Toyota Avalons so as to treat all GAs fairly. But, at least we can all go shopping in the finest mall in the Intermountain West and park right next to a tithing funded Avalon. God bless the "few". Luckily, there are no poor who could have otherwise used such funds.<br /><br />... and there is no way will that I will attach my name to this comment (the Spirit does not even have to warn me about the likely backlash) ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-38345892594582403422012-08-23T08:37:27.683-07:002012-08-23T08:37:27.683-07:00There is nothing disturbing about Elder Maxwell...There is nothing disturbing about Elder Maxwell's comments. Oh, how I miss him! He meant what he said.<br /><br />But call him a liar if it makes you feel better, Anon6:41.<br /><br />It's not the garden variety members who are the problem... they do not have "followings" at all. In my opinion, the problems in the Church today go straight to the top.<br /><br />And no, I'm not inclined to leave. I know the Book of Mormon is true and I know the temple ordinances are vital, recent dilutions notwithstanding. It might make people like Anon6:41 if I'd just leave and take the hard truth with me - but that's just it. I love the truth, whatever the source. The chaff will be burned in due time.<br /><br />The author of this blog gains no following and gains no money from it if I'm not mistaken. What a foolish accusation to make. Reminds me of a movie ... "You can't handle the truth!" And unfortunately, many indeed can't. Our testimonies must be based on the Book of Mormon... anything else and we are on a sandy foundation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-2379163712363561272012-08-23T07:33:44.932-07:002012-08-23T07:33:44.932-07:00To Anonymous 6:41
This is the Lord's church.....To Anonymous 6:41<br /><br />This is the Lord's church.. but if you read the scriptures from Old Testament prophets like Isaiah to Book of Mormon prophets like Mormon.. you will see the Lord warning us what would happen to us in these latter days when we begin to reject the fulness of the gospel and change the ordinances. Hugh Nibley said this:<br /><br />“I have always thought in reading the Book of Mormon, ‘Woe to the generation that understands this book!’” (The World and the Prophets, p. 195). <br /><br />So my friend... it is my testimony that there is only One Light. Only One who can save us. We should all point to Him, the Lord Jesus Christ.. never to ourselves and our merits. We run the risk of pride when we recieve glory and praise from others. It is unfortunately that we have a tendency to worship and follow men. <br /><br />If it appears that I am guilty of exalting myself up to and recieve glory.. than I have indeed failed. I am no one of any importance and do not desire any spotlight. This blog is written out of love and desire for Zion to be built and anything associated with Babylon to fall. <br />BARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-53059717352641627422012-08-23T07:06:29.575-07:002012-08-23T07:06:29.575-07:00I'm curious, how does someone set themselves u...I'm curious, how does someone set themselves up as an anonymous light?Robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-85727184852872183442012-08-23T06:41:11.603-07:002012-08-23T06:41:11.603-07:00You are exactly who Elder Maxwell was talking abou...You are exactly who Elder Maxwell was talking about! What do you call a blog like this except for 'Setting Yourself Up For A Light'? There is no other purpose for a blog like this except to exhalt yourself and to try and tear the church apart piece by piece. I hope you enjoy your glory while you can. If you don't believe in the church leadership then find a church you can believe in and let the rest of us celebrate a wonderful mans birthday and follow Him as the Lords chosen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-34753030010568372302012-08-22T22:11:08.552-07:002012-08-22T22:11:08.552-07:00Yes, in today's church it's far better to ...Yes, in today's church it's far better to lie, mislead, rewrite, retape, gloss over, censor, censure, and even change history than it is to present the unvarnished truth if it might present a less than favorable image.<br />It's all about image isn't it? <br />White shirt, short hair, clean shaven, business suit, new Escalade...whatever Babylonian dictates.<br />Just remind me again about what Joseph and Brigham said...something about Mormonish embracing "all truth" wherever it may be found...<br />JRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-25370637423030701832012-08-22T19:27:01.016-07:002012-08-22T19:27:01.016-07:00Great post. Elder Maxwell always said just what h...Great post. Elder Maxwell always said just what he meant. The fact it got changed is indeed disturbing, although the scripture prophesy of all this kind of thing. Even though scripture say to expect it, it's still not fun when you actually see it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-62022245077418736882012-08-22T17:29:12.477-07:002012-08-22T17:29:12.477-07:00Wow...Good Catch!
Watching the video...after he gi...Wow...Good Catch!<br />Watching the video...after he gives the quote in question...he's still talking about the leadership...not the members. <br />I think you have this just right. <br /><br />BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-75842474846322429622012-08-22T15:26:35.438-07:002012-08-22T15:26:35.438-07:00It sure seems like he means what he says when he s...It sure seems like he means what he says when he says it. He always did.<br /><br />I'd love to be the "fly on the wall" during that correlated conversation with Maxwell. <br /><br />COB Correlator:"Yeah, um, hey, did you mean exactly what you said or did you mean something like,I don't know, there are a few MEMBERS who "seek not the welfare of Zion" and "set themselves up for a light"?<br /><br />Maxwell: "I meant what I said. Is there a problem?" (looking them square in the eye)<br /><br />COB Correlator:"Um, yeah, you can't say that...it causes people to think about your words too much. They might have questions. They might get confused. That might be bad..."<br /><br />Maxwell:(squints his eyes like Clint Eastwood)"Hmmm..."<br /><br />Nice!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-6944385595919733972012-08-22T14:41:03.243-07:002012-08-22T14:41:03.243-07:00I've asked myself if Nephi or Peter would have...I've asked myself if Nephi or Peter would have accepted such a celebration. I think they would have been reluctant to do so and would have reminded the people that God is good and they are imperfect men. Perhaps would have reminded them of their failures.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745901786962474174noreply@blogger.com