tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post6863036488118395792..comments2024-03-25T10:57:21.969-07:00Comments on BARE RECORD OF TRUTH: 38: MINGLING OF FUNDS at the CHURCH'S SOLE DISCRETIONBARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-27899594614254496972013-09-03T18:43:34.108-07:002013-09-03T18:43:34.108-07:00Anonymous 2:02, I agree, and would add that until ...Anonymous 2:02, I agree, and would add that until EVERY bishop and stake president has received extensive training in pron addiction recovery, that women and children are not being protected. A beloved friend of mine recently went through a divorce, which I recently discovered she was counseled to do BY OUR BISHOP, after giving her husband only three months to "kick" a nearly-lifetime enslavement to pornography. That family was destroyed--utterly blasted to pieces--because we have a bishop ignorant of what it really takes to be released from that kind of slavery, and who isn't able to place hands on that good brother's head and break off the power of the evil that holds him bound. I know several families whose husbands/fathers have overcome such an addiction, and it was something that took a great deal of time, and a great deal of power from heaven. Those families are eternal ones . . . and it breaks my heart to see my friend and her children, who are happier on the surface now that they have some distance from the problem, and know that her eternal companion has been abandoned with nothing but broken promises.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-86500512340931537462013-09-03T18:35:12.814-07:002013-09-03T18:35:12.814-07:00Precisely, Inspire. We could be building halfway ...Precisely, Inspire. We could be building halfway houses for nonviolent offenders (the US's recidivism rates are abominable, but with halfway houses, it drops miraculously), funding orphanages (like the Hand of Help's orphanage in Romania that's under threat of closure due to recent taxation changes), sending out armies of funded senior missionaries who can dig wells and provide clean water in the third world, where water is a fierce battle and often costs extravagant amounts of money. We could be feeding and housing and teaching the sick and downtrodden, those who just need to be loved. We could be building Youth Hostels and not-for-profit rec centers in harsh climate communities so community members could have access to wholesome and health-improving exercise year round, building relationships and making a meaningful strike against internet addictions and violent gaming. We could be feeding the 9 million malnourished children of LDS FAMILIES in the United States.<br /><br />I guess providing jobs in downtown SLC is really more important . . . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-22819892403611313242013-09-03T18:29:55.344-07:002013-09-03T18:29:55.344-07:00There are definite upsides to raising children in ...There are definite upsides to raising children in the church. But please still be wary. Teach your children at home every. single. day. and study the scriptures with them, and talk with them. I thought we were doing a great job with our children, but my 11-year-old daughter (who is very shy) recently wrote out her testimony, and it was this: <br /><br />"I know President Monson is a prophet, and I know the church is true."<br /><br />Ouch. Score one for Correlation. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-84088050993637872022012-06-27T04:20:01.897-07:002012-06-27T04:20:01.897-07:00amenamenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-13040452780373338982012-06-27T04:19:25.706-07:002012-06-27T04:19:25.706-07:00amenamenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-48198145675843942712012-06-27T04:18:30.943-07:002012-06-27T04:18:30.943-07:00amenamenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-7431352032276918212012-04-27T12:18:36.600-07:002012-04-27T12:18:36.600-07:00I will say this- If Brandon has anything to do wit...I will say this- If Brandon has anything to do with money and your Temple, don't tithe anything. It will most likely be used for legal expenses and fines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-39712461921446132542012-04-24T21:44:35.701-07:002012-04-24T21:44:35.701-07:00@ Inspire: Amen!!! I feel that my trust in the wi...@ Inspire: Amen!!! I feel that my trust in the wise and sacred use of the money I believed I was returning to the Lord, in order to help the hurting and glorify the Father, has been betrayed. I take my responsibility of tithe-paying very seriously and personally; I have to know that it is being used in accordance with Heavenly Father's will. So far as "no tithing money was used for the City Creek Center..." - all Church money is sacred and set aside to be used in God's name for his purpose. No one has the right to separate Church money into different pots, some sacred and some not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-5941944309788770022012-04-21T09:31:08.667-07:002012-04-21T09:31:08.667-07:00Amazing Brandon that you speak of the commandments...Amazing Brandon that you speak of the commandments when you yourself dont follow them. Thou shall not steal is one of the ones my God told me about. You have stolen many hundreds of thousands of dollars from good hard working people the trusted your business, Paracord Masters aka BK Intustries. They gave you their hard earned money and you gave them nothing. You yourself said you have over 5000 people to give money back to, I being one of those, and yet you say in the papers, I will just bankrupt the company and oh well to those people (not a direct quote but the gist of it) You need to ask God for forgiveness for stealing from these 5000 people, I for one will only forgive when I see that you truly are sorry and give me my money back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-30636640198090785462012-04-21T09:19:02.152-07:002012-04-21T09:19:02.152-07:00You all may or may not know this, but Brandon Mysl...You all may or may not know this, but Brandon Mysliwiec is a thief and a liar. Not too long ago he had a company named BK Industries, and an online DBA called "Paracord Master". He was taking orders for product, charging peoples credit cards, then not shipping the product. He has, to date, been fined over $80k by the UDCP...with more on the way. The authorities are still looking into criminal charges for fraud, among others. <br /><br />Basically, the reason he supports the church's indiscretions is because that's how he runs his life & so-called "businesses".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-6395490484156377242012-04-12T21:44:41.386-07:002012-04-12T21:44:41.386-07:00Inspire,
I agree that we need only look to our G...Inspire, <br /><br />I agree that we need only look to our General Conferences today to see that errors are often taught. For almost every Conference there are some false doctrines taught, if you look & listen close enough to catch them. Sometimes they are major falsehoods that really lead people to do great evil. Other times they are minor errors that everyone makes.<br /><br />Does that mean that when the Prophet or Apostles or G.A.s make minor errors they are a false prophet? No. But when they teach major falsehoods that cause people to sin, maybe.<br /><br />But it does mean and show that we are responsible for discerning truth from error and right from wrong, even while listening to Conference. For no one is perfect, except Christ.<br /><br />Thanks for your comments inspire!<br /><br /><br />Thanks to you too Toni. I'm glad to hear others have studied out where this false idea came from, that 'prophets can't lead us astray'.<br /><br />For even BY said it with an 'if' clause, that we can't be led astray 'if' we are doing our duty (living worthy of the spirit). For then we will be able to detect any errors spoken by prophets and thus 'can't be led astray', cause we will know not to follow them.<br /><br />But other church leaders since BY taught the idea but 'without' the 'if' clause, which makes all the difference.<br /><br />Pres. Woodruff, was desperate to get men who lived polygamy to stop it, and thus he tried to get their confidence by saying that he couldn't lead them astray. But he left out the vital 'if' clause. So it gave the wrong impression to the church ever after. But he got them to stop polygamy and that's probably why he left out the 'if' clause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-24981210150656123252012-04-12T17:01:27.918-07:002012-04-12T17:01:27.918-07:00Like Inspire said, "most people who read this...Like Inspire said, "most people who read this probably have researched where the whole "we will never be lead astray" mantra came from."<br /><br />I expect many or most of us have studied church history; we've seen the ugly as well as the pretty. We still have our testimonies of Jesus Christ and of the fact that this is His church, but we harbor no illusions about the perfection of the organization nor any of it's members (including the leaders).<br /><br />For myself, I sustain the brethren at the top; they have the right to be there and to make decisions, but they are answerable to the people according to the law of common consent in the scriptures.Tonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-38523658805969872412012-04-12T14:49:24.432-07:002012-04-12T14:49:24.432-07:00Anon,
Good thoughts. One need only look to the rec...Anon,<br />Good thoughts. One need only look to the recent conference for a case-in-point (Elder Perry's talk). While he qualified most of his thoughts with "I believe," (do apostles or prophets even ever speak, "Thus sayeth the Lord" anymore?), most members take these things as authoritative and never even question it. <br /><br />Elder Perry said, “Why is it important to for the world to have both the Bible and the Book of Mormon? I believe the answer is found in the 13th chapter of 1st Nephi: <br />And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles (that is the Book of Mormon), shall establish the truth of the first (which is the Bible), which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things ...”<br /><br />After five minutes of actually looking at the text in the Book of Mormon, one can easily realize that Elder Perry's opinion is a blatant misreading of the passage. The “last records” are NOT the Book of Mormon. The B of M is referred to as “much of my gospel” in this passage. The “last records” are what come AFTER the fullness of the Book of Mormon is revealed AND the Book of the Lamb of God is restored. Likewise, the “truth of the first” is definitely not the Bible as we have it today. If anything, the KJ Bible is part of the Great and Abominable Church (see 1 Ne 13:28-29).<br /><br />My point isn't to go off subject, but to show how even today, the opinions of the 12 are perceived as THE authority. I don't blame them for not having time to really dig into the doctrinal stuff, because most of their time is spent overseeing boards and in organizational matters. But each individual who takes the Spirit for their guide, will not be deceived. If we take men for our guide, we will be lead away by their philosophies and errors.Inspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-1755388301808925422012-04-12T14:26:22.703-07:002012-04-12T14:26:22.703-07:00Brandon,
It appears you have not studied Church ...Brandon, <br /><br />It appears you have not studied Church History enough or you would not fall for the blatant falsehood that "prophets can't lead us astray".<br /><br />They can & they have, many times since Joseph.<br /><br />Even Joseph Smith made errors & had to learn line upon line, and even called at least 1 false prophet to be an Apostle. (Bennett)<br /><br />Heavenly Father allows prophets the same agency to error or fall as the rest of us. And if people don't live worthy of the Spirit nor study their scriptures, he allows them to be led astray by the falsehoods or false prophets. <br /><br />That myth that 'prophets can't lead us astray' is actually one of the devil's favorite 'philosophies of men' that he gets church leaders to fall for & falsely teach. It has worked in many religions to led people astray. For that philosophy in fact, very quickly lulls people to sleep and causes them to not question everything a prophet does & says like we are commanded to. It thus quickly leads people astray because they don't watch & catch the errors their leaders make. <br /><br />Those who follow their church leaders 'blindly & unquestioningly', usually never know they are being led astray, it until it's everlastingly too late to wake up.<br /><br />We must study church history or we will be doomed to repeat it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-7073407943314538862012-04-12T14:02:06.056-07:002012-04-12T14:02:06.056-07:00I am commanded 'not' to go by what people ...I am commanded 'not' to go by what people 'say' about Pres. Monson, to judge whether he is a true prophet or not. <br /><br />I am commanded to go by what I see him 'do', especially in reference to the women & children he is responsible to protect & care for in the church.<br /><br />I see that he supports the 'abandonment of spouses & children' and he supports 'unjustified divorce and remarriage', which Christ says is adultery. Which causes severe abuse and suffering to women and children. <br /><br />I see that many, if not most, of the widows and fatherless in the Church are not being cared for as they should by the Church, which is Pres. Monson's #1 responsibility.<br /><br />I see that women are not usually being respected and protected by the Church from abuse, adultery and abandonment, which again, it's leaders #1 responsibility, high or low, or nothing else they do will matter much. <br /><br />For until marriage & women are protected and respected and care for, there is no hope for the Church or society. <br /><br />Until I see Pres. Monson change these things and stand for right, no amount of praise for him or flowery testimony from him, can cause me to trust or believe he is a true prophet.<br /><br />For by his 'actions', specifically 'the protect of women and children' you will know him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-91193672789279216732012-04-12T10:15:58.295-07:002012-04-12T10:15:58.295-07:00Brandon,
First of all, you may or may not know thi...Brandon,<br />First of all, you may or may not know this, but by the juvenile use of name-calling and judging those with valid concerns, you lessen the weight of your position and only validate the fulfillment of the "All is well in Zion" mentality, and the pride that goes with it.<br /><br />Secondly, you state that the church will never use sacred funds for "the business side" of the church. At what point do "sacred" funds become non-sacred? You are implying that there is a distinction between the two. Sacred vs. business. Are you saying that the church can take any funds it deems as non-sacred and use it towards any venture they feel is a good "investment"? At that point it just becomes a matter of semantics. So here's what happens. They say, "Okay, the tithing money is 'sacred,' so let's put it in an account and hold it there. Wow, that's a lot of 'funds,' isn't it? Let's let it build up interest for three years by letting it just sit there. Sweet! Look at all that interest we 'earned.' We sure could use that elsewhere. How could we use it? In the 'market'. Why would we do that? To make more 'funds." Hey, let's call those funds something other than 'sacred' so that we can feel good about using the money however we feel is appropriate. Oh, and let's close the books to the public so there will be no accountability whatsoever. Now, when we talk about building malls or funding hunting retreats that are 'for profit,' we can tell everyone that no 'sacred' funds were used, because once we earned interest, they became 'non-sacred' or 'business' funds. If they ask questions, we tell them to 'trust us,' because we are called of God, and He will direct us in our 'stewardship' of this money. Of course, we shouldn't remind anyone that Joseph Smith was about the worst businessman you can imagine and that he failed over and over in business practices. So the inspiration thing didn't work for him. But hey, we're smarter than that now, as we have inspired businessmen scattered all throughout the Corporation. Wait, if business=non-sacred, than what is a 'businessman'? Um..... Follow the Prophet! He knows the way!!!! Yeah, that's it."<br /><br /><br />Lastly, most people who read this probably have researched where the whole "we will never be lead astray" mantra came from. You may want to do a little research on that yourself. Regardless, "commandments" are not marching orders barked by the ranking member of a hierarchy (those would be more like 'demandments'). A commandment is a trust entreated by a loving Father... a stewardship He commends to us. So if the choice is between God and mammon (or 'sacred' and 'business'), you're right, we can't sit on the fence. There is only one Master we can serve. Which one will it be?Inspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-18756832952394687492012-04-12T09:20:47.864-07:002012-04-12T09:20:47.864-07:00Your all just being dumb and blowing things way ou...Your all just being dumb and blowing things way out of proportion. The City Creek Project was not built by the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" it was built by the real estate division, a business investment division of the church that has always handle the realty side of the church for the "for profit" portions of the company as well as the acquisition of property for the "non-profit" side of the church. The church NEVER has nor will they ever use sacred donation funds for the business side of the church. Those funds come strictly from the investments and business properties and entities that the church owns.<br /><br />As for the tithing slip, what the heck is up all of your butts? So what if the form was changed, its a legal issue that the portion at the bottom was added. It always has and always will be up to the church will donated funds are used, now they just put it directly on the donation form for legal issues. If the prophet, his apostles, or any other priesthood holder with authority to do so is inspired by the spirit to use the funds for something other then what was originally noted on a tithing slip then who are YOU to justify saying it is wrong?<br /><br />As long as a prophet is acting in the authority of a Prophet then we will NEVER be lead astray, we are promised that, anyone who thinks differently is fooling themselves into justifying why they are not following all that our prophets have told us to do.<br /><br />Stop nitpicking the church, follow the commandments and ALL that the Prophets tell us to do. Pick the side of the fence your going to be on, you cannot sit in the middle.Brandon Mysliwiechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12126603527900399245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-23477414954740015672012-04-11T10:56:06.457-07:002012-04-11T10:56:06.457-07:00Anon of Mar 30: Out of curiosity, why did you (and...Anon of Mar 30: Out of curiosity, why did you (and your other whining friends) come onto this thread to add absolutely nothing of intelligence to the discussion? Are you part of the group who was told to defend the mall?<br /><br />Excellent points, Anon of Mar 31.LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-24975462573290838042012-04-11T10:50:28.866-07:002012-04-11T10:50:28.866-07:00And this adds to the conversation how?And this adds to the conversation how?LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-86904237465666803502012-04-11T10:47:47.706-07:002012-04-11T10:47:47.706-07:00Anonymous, we love you anyway. Notice, will you, t...Anonymous, we love you anyway. Notice, will you, that up til now no one has responded to your silly reply.LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-23381490963749167732012-04-11T10:41:10.946-07:002012-04-11T10:41:10.946-07:00AnonymousApr 5, 2012 09:13 AM - "Look at Pres...AnonymousApr 5, 2012 09:13 AM - "Look at President Monson's life. He is an example of righteous living."<br /><br />Yes, and we have been told how wonderful he is so many times that, according to the scriptures, "He has his reward."<br /><br />What happened to the teaching of Jesus that our right hand should not know what our left hand is doing, when it comes to doing good? We are not to sound our good works from the rooftops and the street corners so that everyone can hear them, yet I went to a stake conference a year or two ago wherein the visiting authority pretty much gave a eulogy for our beloved president. He was even compared to Christ, doing "what Christ would have done" which was to take a dear sister's hand (she was suffering from poor health, I forget exactly what), and give her words of comfort. Had I been eating or drinking, I probably would have spewed it out. Jesus would NOT have done that! Jesus would have HEALED her! I seriously don't get all these people who are, for all intents and purposes, worshiping a man.LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-21619483496941334062012-04-10T08:16:53.396-07:002012-04-10T08:16:53.396-07:00We are not to have 'faith' that a man or p...We are not to have 'faith' that a man or prophet is righteous, we are to make sure we have 'proof' that he is, before we are to follow him.<br /><br />No matter how many widows and fatherless Pres. Monson has taken care of personally, I can only judge Pres. Monson's actions by if he has cared for the widows and fatherless I have known in the Church. <br /><br />He is responsible and accountable for 'all' the widows and fatherless, church wide. I do not see the widows and fatherless being taken care of and protected like they should be or at all.<br /><br />Taking care of a few while leaving the rest to fend for themselves, especially when you have the means to take care of them, is not righteous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-66312217557620716492012-04-05T09:48:44.881-07:002012-04-05T09:48:44.881-07:00It has been made abundantly clear that President M...It has been made abundantly clear that President Monson has come "to the rescue" of many a widow. We hear about it in conference and read about it in his books. In fact, President Packer said, "He is more Christlike than the rest of us." <br /><br />What sort of "faith" are you referring to? Faith in man that they are spending the sacred funds wisely? Faith in a man that he is more righteous than the rest of us? Faith in an organization that runs counter to the teachings taught in the scriptures? Indeed, faith in a structure that is fulfilling prophecy in that it is descriptive of the Great and Abominable Church?<br /><br />If that is the faith which is required "for salvation," then sign me up for hell. No, my faith is in Christ. My faith is in His mercy offered freely to a wretch like myself. My faith is not in a program or organization, but in the Son of God. I do not speculate, doubt or deny His saving power. As amazing as President Monson is, he is a man. I will turn my faith to Christ and love HIM with all my heart, might, mind and strength. That is the truth I am founded in.Inspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-21370968359156232022012-04-05T09:13:30.506-07:002012-04-05T09:13:30.506-07:00Look at President Monson's life. He is an exam...Look at President Monson's life. He is an example of righteous living. He always responds to the needs of those around him. Your speculations and doubts are not founded on truth. If you keep saying, "How do we know...? What if... what if...?", you will never have the faith necessary for salvation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-53402912305017871492012-04-03T09:57:03.704-07:002012-04-03T09:57:03.704-07:00If we are to judge our leaders by their 'fruit...If we are to judge our leaders by their 'fruits', (vital things like how they handle the money, their political views & who they support & their actions in regards to marriage, divorce, remarriage, spouse abuse, etc. etc.) how can we do so if they keep these things hidden?<br /><br />For the scriptures teach that it's not what a person 'says'(at a pulpit or writes in a book) but what a person 'does' that proves if they are righteous or not.<br /><br />We need to be able to see their 'actions', their 'fruits', in order to know for sure that they are righteous & safe to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com