tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post7752529955594097522..comments2024-03-25T10:57:21.969-07:00Comments on BARE RECORD OF TRUTH: 159: CASTING CALLBARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-28885372522366595892014-03-22T07:24:22.128-07:002014-03-22T07:24:22.128-07:00I see this really as a tipping point. If the memb...I see this really as a tipping point. If the membership will fall for this, they will fall for anything.Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761024757445480029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-6624588839869104482013-04-04T14:43:38.826-07:002013-04-04T14:43:38.826-07:00I have read up on Church history, and I am well aw...I have read up on Church history, and I am well aware that Joseph taught there are various ways of discerning bad angels, I just have never seen 'proof' that he really taught the 'handshake theory'.<br /><br />Do you know of 'proof' that Joseph Smith really taught the 'handshake test', for D&C 129 was added after Joseph died and can't be considered proof that it was really from Joseph, unless Joseph published such teachings before he died. Do you know of such proof of publication by Joseph?<br /><br />We also can't believe everything the 'History of the Church' says either, for there are many contradictions in it from what Joseph actually really taught & published while he was alive.<br /><br />If you don't have such proof, then your beliefs are not based on 'fact' either. I myself don't blindly believe everything I read from the Church and thus I don't believe Joseph taught such a thing, for it doesn't seem right to me, nor have I found any 'proof' of Joseph teaching it.<br /><br />The apostle Paul commanded us to 'prove all things' before we believe or follow them. I try to do that so I'm not deceived.<br /><br />And I certainly don't automatically believe anything that Brigham Young said or taught or added to the D&C (like 129 or 132 etc, etc.), for he taught & did so many things completely contrary to what Christ & Joseph Smith taught, even many whoredoms, that we know for sure he was a false prophet who taught much false doctrine. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-13550684339656807862013-04-02T13:38:17.976-07:002013-04-02T13:38:17.976-07:00Your beliefs are not based on fact. You should re...Your beliefs are not based on fact. You should read up on Church history. Joseph recognized bad angels by dress, hair, and all manner of ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-79672352782335885382013-04-01T08:16:19.338-07:002013-04-01T08:16:19.338-07:00'Outrage' is the word I would use & wh...'Outrage' is the word I would use & what I feel, when I see what these 'special witnesses' are saying & doing.<br /><br />I agree with JR, that these 'special witnesses' need to repent, for even calling themselves God's special witnesses and for leading the Church astray from following Christ.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-1317473352536944812013-04-01T08:12:13.547-07:002013-04-01T08:12:13.547-07:00I believe it was Brigham Young who gave us the (fa...I believe it was Brigham Young who gave us the (false) handshake test, not Joseph Smith, despite what the story books say.<br /><br />Joseph told us to tell 'bad angels' or 'bad special witnesses' by the fact that they preach 'contrary' to Christ, the scriptures or former revelation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-89719554567550559932013-03-30T21:10:41.610-07:002013-03-30T21:10:41.610-07:00There's a reason Joseph Smith gave us the hand...There's a reason Joseph Smith gave us the handshake test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-91924633729210664612013-03-28T23:06:03.102-07:002013-03-28T23:06:03.102-07:00I would like to add another scriptural reference o...I would like to add another scriptural reference or two as my witness the wrong path is being tread by the Church of God on this issue:<br /><br /> D‡C 76:61 Wherefore, let no man glory in man, but rather let him glory in God, who shall subdue all enemies under his feet.<br /><br />John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?<br /><br /> 1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;<br /><br />It's pretty simple - where are they putting the glory - it belongs to Christ and him only.<br /><br />dcp<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-89647343170909116122013-03-28T18:02:28.716-07:002013-03-28T18:02:28.716-07:00I know of 4 people who have seen Him. None are GA...I know of 4 people who have seen Him. None are GAs. <br />None were commanded to not bear testimony of Him.<br />The question comes up whether they are also "special witnesses".<br />Was everyone in the large gathering at Bountiful (BoM) also a "special witness"?<br />If seeing Him is not sufficient to be a "special witness" then what is required?<br />If it requires having men lay their hands on one's head and confer something, but does not require the person to have seen Him, how does that differ from being ordained a High Priest by a man?<br />Why is the church asking for members to bear testimony of the "Special Witnesses"?<br />Does this soliciting members to bear testimony of men constitute priestcrafts (2 Nephi 26:29)?<br />Is this a partial fulfillment of the Savior's warning in 3 Nephi 16:10?<br />JR<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-13052043257746790002013-03-28T07:33:27.134-07:002013-03-28T07:33:27.134-07:00That treats the issue of being a special witness b...That treats the issue of being a special witness by providing a bunch of quotes on the matter.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876761145806406244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-91358650006792433362013-03-28T07:33:09.135-07:002013-03-28T07:33:09.135-07:00http://upwardthought.blogspot.com/2013/03/have-lds...http://upwardthought.blogspot.com/2013/03/have-lds-apostles-seen-jesus-do-they.htmlRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876761145806406244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-7272716792402129332013-03-27T17:31:23.691-07:002013-03-27T17:31:23.691-07:00Thanks.. well said.
Instead of Anger.. Frustration...Thanks.. well said.<br />Instead of Anger.. Frustration is probably a better word that I should have used.<br />We all feel it. Hopefully we will all find the True Solace and Safety. <br />DavidBARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-29321679050987435852013-03-27T16:31:37.493-07:002013-03-27T16:31:37.493-07:00Don't misunderstand speaking straight from the...Don't misunderstand speaking straight from the heart as anger.<br />I am not angry, if you were referring to my "outburst".<br />I am just amazed and appalled.<br />We are seeing an ever accelerating downturn in our society, whether we look at the secular or the ecclesiastical side of it matters not.<br />In a word, our society is going to hell in a handbasket. Why not just say it? Things are turning to crap all around us these days!<br />Instead of security and a safe haven, the church is often found leading the charge down the slippery slope! We gloss over that at our peril and especially at the peril of our children who are not capable of judging what to believe from the silliness, idol worship, hero worship, and false doctrine they are being spoon fed!<br />JRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-61690155838188544942013-03-26T23:51:29.303-07:002013-03-26T23:51:29.303-07:00My own witness is that when an apostle preaches or...My own witness is that when an apostle preaches or teaches about the Savior and his atonement, for example Pres. Hinkley in a Christmas video a few years ago or Elder Nelson describing his own study of the Savior from the Book of Mormon in a Regional conference a few year before that, then they are acting within their prophetic calling and stewardship as apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ. I occasionally disagree, even strongly, with other things they say and do not directly related to witnessing of the Savior. It goes back to 2 Nephi 28:31, and whether or not someone or something is pointing us to the Savior.<br /><br />MarkinPNW Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-74438268623098607602013-03-26T20:30:54.640-07:002013-03-26T20:30:54.640-07:00I appreciate the sight not wanting to insight ange...I appreciate the sight not wanting to insight anger but then again, Jesus was insighted to anger when he saw the money changing going on at the temple. This kind of conduct insights me to anger and yet I seek to be charitable and not be easily provoked but let's call a spade a spade. This is becoming laughable. I'm embarrassed to tell you the truth.<br /><br />I guess I should take solace that this is all going as the Book of Mormon lays it out and we are fulfilling prophecy.<br /><br />Now I think I'll go to my room and sulk for a bit and ask the Lord how much longer we have to endure this kind of behavior. JLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-298651640846014612013-03-26T17:27:41.014-07:002013-03-26T17:27:41.014-07:00This part of the e-mail struck me....
"Thi...This part of the e-mail struck me.... <br /><br />"This is a perfect opportunity to serve"<br /><br />Who are we serving when we testify of men? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-78547701443050941542013-03-26T16:28:38.870-07:002013-03-26T16:28:38.870-07:00My purpose for posting this was not to insight ang...My purpose for posting this was not to insight anger. Instead, it shows that Isaiah's prophesies are being fulfilled. <br /><br />Hard to know who is directing this effort. We have the choice whether we will condemn or not. Most of what is posted here is for awareness purposes, without much personal commentary.<br /><br />David <br /> BARE RECORD OF TRUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525289075352079487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-199633972689777295.post-46935777993801338402013-03-26T15:49:00.734-07:002013-03-26T15:49:00.734-07:00This is pathetic! This almost pushes me over the ...This is pathetic! This almost pushes me over the edge! <br />What are church leaders thinking? <br />First we have a $1.5B shopping mall to gag down. Then it's canned church training videos that are so staged and phony and full of false doctrine they are laughable. Now we have the "special witnesses" being shoved down our throats like so many glitter encrusted rock stars pandering to be worshipped!<br />"BEAR TESTIMONY OF THE "SPECIAL WITNESSES"!"<br />Well, here's my testimony for them: "If they don't repent of this hero worship complex they have developed they are going to burn in hell!<br />JR<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com