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Tuesday, January 7, 2014

232: DOOMED?

“If a religion is to be based on certain sacred texts,  it will inevitably fall into corruption and decay, the further away it moves in time and space from the historical origin of those texts—unless it has a constantly living, internal "interpreter", in the semantic sense of the word."

—Herbert Musurillo,
History and Symbol: A Study of Form in Early Christian Literature,
Theological Studies vol. 18, 1957, 360.

 
A friend of mine sent me the above quote with the tag line, “If a revelator, translator, prophet, and seer don't exist - a living church is doomed!” ....and I would add, "especially if an anonymous committee of paid individuals is now rewriting what we should now consider "Doctrine" (such as the recently released topics of the First Vision Accounts, Polygamy, and Race and the Priesthood.)

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The below  is some interesting information on the authorship of the LDS Church's newly released essays.

DISCLAIMER: It is second hand, so best to take that under consideration. I can not confirm the source, but certainly worth pondering about.

"I have had a recent, long, direct and informative discussion with a well-placed and highly-credible Mormon Church source, which focused on the question of who, specifically, authored the historically-revisionistic essays that the Mormon Church has now placed on its official website. Just let me say that these essays were not written by members of the Quorum of the Twelve or the First Presidency.

(My source is aware of the fact that I am posting this on the Recovery from Mormonism discussion board, since I told the source I would be doing so).

Per mutual agreement with the source, I will not, at this time, be disclosing the names of those who participated in the writing of the essays--although the identities of certain specific individuals were given to me who, directly or indirectly, assisted in the authorship of the essays.
Just let me say that these essays were not written by members of the Quorum of the Twelve or the First Presidency.

I was told that the directed goal of the essays' authors was to craft statements that would satisfy everyone--an assignment which the source said was their first mistake. These publicly-unidentified-authored efforts, I was further told, ultimately were required to pass what was described as the paranoid approval of the Quorum of the Twelve--a group that was also characterized as being full of egomaniacs who needed to be humbled.

The authors of these essays were said to represent a wide variety of people employed by the Mormon Church in the LDS Historical Department, some of whom are historians themselves. In authoring the essays, these individuals were also given the task of contacting others outside the Mormon Church Historical Department who were considered by the LDS Church's Historical Department to be experts and scholars, and from whom all kinds of input was sought. I was told that the Mormon Church, in present circumstances, was doing the best it could.

The source noted that these essays would not be laying blame at the feet of the Mormon Church's founder, Joseph Smith, because that was simply not possible to do at the present time. From the source's perspective, the decison not to take problematic issues back to Joseph Smith (especially on the issue of race) was understandable, given what were characterized as current complicated realities facing the Mormon Church--although the source said that they (meaning the source) was not pleased with the essay on polygamy.

I was told that employees of the Mormon Church Historical Department were given the assignment of hammering out statements in their essay documents that would:

1) repudiate racism and sexism;

2) create pronouncements that strike a balance; and

3) lay the groundwork for the release of new information in the future.

I told the source that the sooner the Mormon Church quit mischaracterizing the historically-doctrinal (not policy) nature of official Mormon Church positions--(particulary as related to its historically-racist ones that are currently embedded in the LDS Church's canonized scriptures, notably the Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price, as well as in the officially-authoritative statements of the First Presidency that have traced Mormon Church doctrine directly back to Joseph Smith)--the better,

During the course of our lively one-on-one discussion, the source and myself did not agree on all points, although our discussion was quite cordial, as it typically is.

So, there you have it:

"Revealed" Mormon Church truth, brought to you by anonymously rolled out, correlated committees."

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Below is further information coming out from the inside on a variety of fronts, pertaining to {the new essays, SSM and church finances}:

1) the research, authorship and internal consequences of the Mormon Church's essays on problematic areas of LDS history and doctrine;

2) internal Mormon Church developments relating to the evenaul nation-wide legalization of same-sex marriage and how the Mormon Church may be preparing to accommodate that scenario; and

3) the extent of LDS Inc. financial holdings and who inside the Mormon Church super-structure does and does not have full knowledge of LDS Inc.'s full financial picture
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--The Nature and Effect that the Mormon Church's Anonymously-Authored Essays Aee Having on Those Tasked to Write Them

According to a source of mine who has contacts with Mormon Church correlation committee employees, one of these individuals (whose identity, although known, is being kept confidential here) has direct contact with LDS General Authority/Church Historian and Recorder, Steven Snow. This Mormon Church-committee researcher/writer is regarded by colleagues as respected, informed, forthright and honest when it comes to Mormon Church historical issues--and is one who is seen as being well aware of the problems these issues pose to the Church. My source informs me that some of these Church researchers/writers, including this individual, get together on occasion to compare notes with one another.

The particular individual being mentioned here works within the Church's history-committee system and, from that vantage point, has been judiciously and strategically posting information in various venues about what they know about certain historical matters which are described as being sensitive for the Mormon Church.

For instance, it was this individual who publicly noted the following (as quoted earlier on this board):

"The concern going in from the Brethren was how to roll this out without creating a (look-at-all-of-our-problems) page. The Brethren don't want to start faith issues where they don't currently exist, and they are correct that the majority of active and believing Saints don't know or care about this stuff, particularly outside of Utah and the United States.

"The decision was made to incorporate them [the essays] into already-existing areas of the [Mormon Church's official] website and not do a big campaign (outside of the organic interest that will naturally result). From a business perspective, it's probably a wise move. . . . . [I]t's really all about inoculating the next generation. Elder [Steven] Snow has said as much directly to me. They are well aware that skeptics will likely not be satisfied with these answers or their choice of roll-out. It's there for members to see if they are planning lessons, talks, and I know that they are working towards integrating them with curriculum; particularly youth curriculum." . . .

“This much is clear: They [the essays] are not designed to restore people's faith as much as they are designed to lessen future disaffections; Members who come across damning information for the first time and turn to LDS.org to see what the Church says on the matter. The goal is to give them a faithful response while still acknowledging the complexity of the issue.”

("The Debate Over the 13 New Essays?," posted by “epiginosko,” in "New Order Mormon," 10-11 December 2013, at; http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33954&)start=20)
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--The Mormon Church is Said to Possibly be Preparing for an Inevitable National Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage and Considering Modifiying Its Temple Wedding Procedures Accordingly

My source has been in contact with what has been described as a well-placed and completely credible senior executive in the Utah corporate world (whose identity is also known but being protected here). This individual is reportedly aware of how the Morrmon Church's legal beagles may be looking at unfolding realites on the same-sex-marriage front.

According to this executive (some of whose posts I have seen), a member of the Mormon Church's legal team (a team that has long been battling marriage equality) is of the view that 50-state legalizion of same-sex marriage is an unavoidable eventuality.

Given that expectation, this Mormon Church legal advisor is reportedly of the view that the Mormon Church may ultimately implement a U.s.-focused policy that not only accepts civil unions, but that combines these constitutionally-lawful unions with LDS temple-performed sealings, in order to prevent the Mormon Church from becoming entangled in legal problems (along the same lines as the Mormon Church is now doing in some European countries).

commenting on these possible developments, the senior executive observed that if the law ends up driving the Mormon Church to adopt a civil-marriage-first policy, it would make it much easier to preserve family cohesiveness when, otherwise, certain famly members would be excluded from celebrating LDS marital events because they are not deemed worthy to participate.
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--Secrecy Within the Mormon Church Hierarchy Regarding the Full Breadth of Its Financial Holdings

Citing the same senior corporate excutive mentioend above, my source reported that only eight indivudals within the Mormon Church's highest functioning bodies are fully ware of LDS Inc.'s financials. These individuals are:

1) the First Presidency;

2) the Presiding Bishopric; and

3) two unnamed LDS finanical leaders (although one of whom is said to be related to the aformentioned senior corporate executive)

Pointed note was made that even the Quorum of the Twelve is not kept in the full fnaancial loop.

According to the senior executive, this small, elite group meets only once annually, at which time the complete financil picture for LDS Inc. is reviewed. The other individual components of the organization are described as being limited in their knowledge to only that part of organizational operations in which they are respectively involved.

I appreciate my source's willingness to share the above credible, insightful and valuable information for the express purpose of public disclosure. As this individual observed, the Mormon Church is in need of experiencing the effects of sunlight on its secrets. To that end, they said they would pass information along as it is received."

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12 comments:

  1. There is a credibility issue with your sources, right now it does sound like a good conspiracy theory.

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  2. Thanks for this! I also think that it is only a matter of time before the Church appeases the gay community and allows them to be married in the temple. That will be the final nail in the coffin for me. At that point I will be done with the institution.

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  3. Agreed. Thus the disclaimer. Here is a couple of other blog posts that are interesting to consider as well.

    http://lamplightjournal.blogspot.com/2014/01/newsroom-condemnation.html

    http://lamplightjournal.blogspot.com/2014/01/church-newsroom-doctrine.html

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  4. Along the *same lines* as the church is currently doing in European countries?

    Say **what**????

    I would really appreciate more info on that one, please . . .

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    1. I think he means that in some european countries couples get married civilly first (in a church, or a garden or a building or anywhere with an authorised legal person who can marry them) and THEN get sealed after.This is required by law in those countries as the marriage has to be performed in front of a civil authority

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  5. I believe that the church will have changed so drastically by time Jesus has established His Kingdom here on earth after His Second Coming--

    that those who are members of it now won't recognize it--

    and so it won't matter--

    if we make an idol out of the church, then how will we accept the changes Jesus will make?

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  6. If these things are true, and all the evidence I have seen persuades me it probably is so, then the Church has arrived almost exactly at the same place the Christian church was at the time of the Council of Nicea in 325 AD when there was no longer revelation to guide and the leaders turned to the doctrines of men-mingled with scriptures to govern the church.
    Is it any wonder that true prophets are being called from outside the church heirarchy in our day and that they consistently run afoul of church leadership?
    JR

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  7. I used to think Christ would come to fix things in the church. I now understand that this is not the case. He is coming to establish his church, the church of the Firstborn, meaning that the current church has gone into apostasy.

    3 Nephi 22
    22 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance;

    Did Jesus come to fix the Jewish faith? No, he established HIS church. In our day he will do the same.

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  8. Interesting, that is exactly how I read 3 Nephi 21:22.
    Also note 3 Nep 21:20:
    "...at that day whosoever will not repent and come unto my Beloved Son, them will I cut off..."
    Avoiding this curse requires a lot more than just being baptized in the LDS church (see 2 Nephi 31-32).
    Also note 3 Nephi 21:25:
    "And then shall the Power of Heaven come down among them..."
    This is Christ Himself coming to dwell with the people, this is Zion, yes this is the Church of the First Born.
    This is not what we are currently being taught in SS, PH & RS!
    JR

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  9. the proclamation on the family and the living Christ documents, I always just assumed the 15 men wrote theses but actually I don't know that 100%. Perhaps a committee wrote them and the 15 men just put their names on the documents because they agreed with the doctrine.

    Does anyone know the real story of these docs? How long did it take to come up with them and who had a say in writing them?

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  11. I agree with Bruce.

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